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Drake’s Tech Tips
Here is another of Sebastian Drake’s weekly column “Drake’s Tech.” As you all know I am a huge fan of Sebastian’s program Master the Vibe.. if you haven’t already done so, I suggest checking it out.
Ending a Phone Call by Sebastian Drake
If you’re talking on the phone, never say “I’ll call you” or “Call me” - ever. Replace it with, “Talk to you later”, or “Talk soon!”
Why?
If you say, “I’ll call you” - she might not call you even if she wants to, thinking you already said you’d call her. That means she’s not putting in more effort to connect with you.
If you say, “Call me” - and she doesn’t - then you can’t call her without looking bad.
So use, “Talk to you later”, or “Talk soon!” Then you can call her, or she can call you, and all is good.
Sebastian
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March 10, 2008
It should be a universal rule never to tell a girl you’ll her, lol
March 10, 2008
oh my goodness, i thought I was the only one who knew this. man, when I learned this it helped out a ton…i think that it should be added that the guy (you) should be the one to end the conversation, never leave her with the power to call you back
March 11, 2008
this is absolutely a wonderful tip! not just because of the sticky position it sets up if you say who calls who, but also i think the mere word “call” has negative connotations in a girl’s mind. like some hidden equation of “guy” + “call” = uh, no. plus, saying something like “talk to you later” has a familiar and comfortable tone, almost like the conversation isnt finished yet, or its just a given that you WILL talk later.
side question: i have a personal rule of never being the one to call more than three times in a row. it doesnt matter if its to leave a message or actually talk, but if i contacted you the last three times, i wont call again until you contact me. doesnt matter who you are or how long ive known you. i picked this habit up from an ex of mine, and was wondering if any of you other guys had any similar rules about this? or thoughts on it?
March 11, 2008
Usually Ill try and limit it to calling once only and waiting for her to initiate next - but Ill extend this to twice if were having a good prolonged conversation and I actually have something to say as apposed to just calling to initiate something in general
March 11, 2008
Athena - I find myself tempted with girls I fall for and this current one in particular, to think that she doesn’t play games (such as your 3 calls rule)- probably because I put her on a pedestal and think she’s above it or isn’t that petty and probably because if she is its very subtle - does this type of girl exist - is there an exception to the rule or are all girls like this without exception?
March 11, 2008
eddy,
It is unlikely that this girl is different, you are probably just seeing her in a different light or on a different pedestal. Every time I thought the girl was an exception and I didn’t have to abide by the rules, I was wrong..and lost her.
The only exceptions to the rules are the girls your probably don’t want, that’s how it works
March 11, 2008
athena, ive been following the same rule since i was 15. IDK how how i started i just dont. maybe its something programed in all of us
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March 11, 2008
great tip! thanks Drake. Someone commented about keeping the power (or maybe not allowing her to have the power). I recently spoke to a natural who said he never let her have the power. I understand this concept in theory…it’d be great if Drake, TSB, or others posted practical ways to “keep the power” - I guess this is my official request
One thing the natural did was walk away from the girl if she took a phone call while he was talking with her. Usually she would get the hint or he would verbalize that he wasn’t going to wait for her to get off the phone and she would end the phone call.
March 11, 2008
Athena, I think that’s a good rule. 3 calls is more than enough.
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March 11, 2008
hahaha thats simple and good
i always wondered if there was something else you could say besides saying call me or i’ll call you.
you made my dream come true thanks
March 11, 2008
thanks man I always wondered how to end a convo on the phone and sound cool.
i’dd usually say i’m busy talk you later or something in the btwn the lines of that. It worked but now i could use this hehe
thanks
March 12, 2008
hey eddie -
hmm, i didnt really think of my “3-call rule” as playing a game. i just figured if i was calling a person that much, and they werent calling me, there must be a reason. to continue calling them after that would be pushy, make an ass out of me, or stalker-like. 3 just seems like a good number to draw the line. i even apply it to my mom!
that said, i dont know if i can tell you if you have a girl who doesnt play games, since what YOU consider a game, and what I consider a game are obviously very different.
but YES, there ARE girls who dont play games, and who dont wrangle with you for power. even if she IS one of them, you still dont want to start doing foolish things like ass-kissing. even the most down-to-earth, honest and straightforward girl is naturally attracted to a guy who has status and his own power. you have to show her that you are “cooler” than her, no matter WHO she is. the second you start acting “beneath” her, she will begin to believe you ARE beneath her. games or no games, she will be GONE.
but, you can probably relax a lot more around her, since she is not testing you or challenging you like another girl would. you dont always have to be paranoid about women trying to manipulate you. if you are afraid that your perspective is skewed because of your feelings, then what you got to do is forget about your feelings for a minute and just look at the facts. just think back to all the things you KNOW, not the things you THINK. look at what she said and what she did - do they match up? how has her behavior changed over time, and what triggered that? just pretend YOU arent in the picture and look at it like someone you saw on t.v. or something.
March 12, 2008
It’s so true. I’ve made that mistake and it hasn’t really hit me until recently. I’ve been seeing this girl, who I picked-up on the street. I F-closed and now I’ve been sending text msgs like I do with all gfs, and she said “or you can call me…” at that moment it became clear how needy that statement sounds. You want someone to do something for you. Whether it is calling or physically being available to take the phone call.
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March 14, 2008
hmm i gotta use this one, to often i say “ill call ya” and yet i hate talking on the phone…
March 15, 2008
Thumbs…I agree with you…I hate talking on the phone as well. That’s why this is so key, when you say something like “talk to you later” it’s basically saying “i’m going to call you, but I don’t know when”. this is the complete reverse of the AFC who’s tells the girl to “call me” and then waits around for the call. With this technique you turn the tables on the girl and she has to wait for your call. If the interaction went well, she might actually call you. here’s another point though…always be the one to end the call. this way, if you end it too early, you leave her wanting more (thus she thinks about you). I always say things like..”i’m in the middle of something, but I can spare 5 minutes” It’s all about false time constraints and reframing bro.
March 16, 2008
Just got the latest MtV CD and once again I’m thoroughly satisfied with it. Sebastian presents and dissects two interactions. I believe it’s very worth the $20. Definitely check it out if your conversation skills are lacking…or you just wanna hear some really tight game in a natural format.
March 17, 2008
A useful tip, and thankfully one i picked up independent of the community. Really takes some of the weight off the conversation, and makes you less nervous.
March 22, 2008
Thanks for the tip!
I never would of thought about it like that. But i usually say, “talk to you later” rather than “call you/me later” anywayz.
But i could definitely see and understand where drake is coming from.
Pzz