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So, I’m saving the whole “Breakup and New Years fiasco story” for when I get back from a ski trip I’m going on this weekend. Its a good story and I want to give it the proper time to include all the necessary back story that makes it so fucked up. Plus I’m heading up to Lake Placid’s White Face with two friends and a gaggle of college girls… No time to dwell in the past at the moment!
With the recent influx of comments that we’ve seen I thought maybe it wouldn’t be such a bad idea to introduce ourselves to each other.. No real names of course. That way we can get a better idea where we all are in terms of skill level, experience, sticking points, and shit. It might make it easier to help each other out. Sort of like the intro Mystery has everyone do at his boot camps.
For instance.. I’m Bobby Rio. And I’m a sexaholic. No seriously, my story began in 1998 when I stumble upon Ross Jeffries while in the mist of an unhappy relationship back in college. Like a good friend I introduced my pal Mike Stoute and another friend-who is in politics and would like to remain nameless. I soon dumped my miserable GF. I wasn’t into Ross’s NLP stuff… although from the few times I used it I saw that it worked… it really wasn’t my style. I’ve always been more of the cocky/funny type and felt weird spouting out NLP patterns. But I thought Ross’s self confidence and attitude stuff was gold.
Over the next year I came into my own with women. I was getting laid left and right. Can’t attribute it all to Ross Jeffries as I was in college and had created a nice social scene for myself. Life was good. Then I fucked it all up my falling for a girl named Beth. She was the pinnacle of what I wanted at the time… Extremely well known, hot, homecoming queen, had most of my friends drooling… so I made her my girlfriend. I rode that wave the rest of college. (I cringe when I think of all the hot college ass I missed out on) When college ended so did our relationship.
Only now I was out of college, and was no longer Master of the Universe. I fell into a slump I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy. It was a combination of self pity, depression, and having been out of the game so long, but it all added up to many nights jerking off to The HUN.
One night, with my dick in my hand cruising the internet for good porn, I decided to Google Ross Jeffries and see if I could find something to motivate me. My search opened me up to a whole new world. I ordered several books right away.. Double Your Dating was the first I remember reading. But I went on to read just about everything out there.
My progression was pretty fast. I must say that I’ve always been the partying type and that has helped me take advantage of and rule every social scene I’ve entered. But it was the knowledge of women that put me over the top.
I stopped counting girls I’ve slept with back in college, but my number is probably somewhere between 70-100.
My sticking point is phone game. I hate talking on the phone. I hate calling girls. I’ve probably fucked up quite a few good leads because I was too bothered to make the call and deal with the chitchat.
Any pointers for me?
How bout your stories?
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Comment by damien on 3 January 2008:
I’m Damien. I got into the community like a lot of people.. by reading the game. i went on to read some other stuff and spend a lot of time on this site (I’ve been reading since the days it had the red and black layout)
When i read the game i had slept with four girls- all of whom I dated for more than six months. Since then I’ve slept with about 7 girls.. not that many I know, but all of them were girls I never had to date. For me that was a big deal.. hell, i didn’t know sex without love was possible lol.
My sticking point is definately escalation. I open a lot of girls only to fall flat because i can’t up the tempo quick enough..
My strong point is opening. I’m no longer afraid to open. It is a liberating feeling when you lose that fear.. anything is possible (assuming you can escalate)
Comment by teddy bear on 3 January 2008:
well im Teddy Bear, like damien said it started for me by reading the game. i saw neil on jimmy kimmel and bought it, i read the book pretty quick and let one of my buddys read it(to this day i never got it back lol). at the time i had no internet to join the community or to look up material so i used canned stuff from the book and bought the art of seduction. the canned material worked for me to open but for the rest i was on my own. ended up in a ltr and forgot about becoming a pua(my ltr ended 1 year ago). then along comes mystery’s show and it opens up my eyes and all of a sudden im remembering all the material there using in the show from the book. so now i have a slick ass pda phone and a laptop so i start searching for anything and everything and while i was at the vh1 site it linked me to the VA forums and while there i found links in posts and visited almost all of em(here included)and started to study anything i could. not sucking up but i like this site the best and started going through the archives whenever i could(this site is the shit on my phone, i click a month and all the posts for that month are listed) since finding the community ive used bits and pieces here and there and its worked but yeah im no PUA yet but im not an AFC either im in between. my main sticking point right now is the dhv’ing and storytelling. my strong point is the fearless attitude and my phone game, im a natural at that since i can remember(i can make a girl fall in love with me over the phone,even if they havent seen me before)
i would really love to take a bootcamp from a pua but i cant afford them(where’s the 500 dollar bootcamp days lol)
Comment by chris on 3 January 2008:
My name’s chris. And I still jerk off to the hun! lol…. My journey also started after a friend told me to read the game (since then of course he gets stuck in LTRs and never wants to go out, lol) I quicly found all these sites and bought e-books like crazy! And the pda phone is great for web searching at work! I’ve gotten 100 percent better out in the field but like bobby have issues with phone game. I just don’t wanna be bothered with talking on the phone and always end up putting off calling hb’s until things go stale with them. I’ve told a few friends about the community and it always ends up being a mistake. Some wanna critcize everything you do because they think their way of getting girls can’t possibly be flawed, some think your just trying to be an asshole to girls, some don’t wanna take your advice when they’re stuck in the most horrible case of one-itis you’ve ever seen, and the friends who are great at picking up chicks naturally just wanna make fun of ya for having to learn via the internet, lol… Its just a lot easier to see their amazement when your doing great with women and they’re sitting there wondering how in the world its possible! I once let a female friend of mine (i was LJBFed by her long ago) in on the fact that there were ways to learn how to get good with women, she didn’t buy it… Well lets just say that she was quite jealous on new years when it seemed like every girl, every where we went was hitting on me left and right, I love the city on new years!
Comment by Seraf24 on 3 January 2008:
I’m Seraf.
Like just almost everyone, I was not only an AFC but CLUELESS about women.
Never had a girlfriend in my life.
That said, I’m also a virgin.
But my lack of a girlfriend has motivated me to be the best PUA I can be.
I stumbled upon Neil’s book when 2 of my 5 other roommates were reading this book. I was interested at the time of what this book had to offer, but did not really want to read it until these same two roommates BOTH KISSED a girl I brought over to do some homework.
They both took her from me because I wasn’t good enough then. Something was wrong with me and I purchased Neil’s book in order to find out what was wrong with me. Ever since I’ve never been the same. I’ve changed and became a PUA.
I’ve finally gotten my first kiss 3 months after reading The Game with a girl I worked with. Considering where I was before reading the book, it was HUGE for me.
Now I’m getting numbers left and right.
My strong point is Day Game, especially since a lot of the time women will be by themselves. I can’t tell you the amount of numbers I’ve gotten on College Campuses.
My sticking points is qualification. If not, then it’s also phone game. I haven’t gotten a whole lot of Day 2s. Only about 5 Day 2s out of all of the numbers I’ve gotten actually.
-Seraf
Comment by FredEx on 3 January 2008:
im FredEx, 17 years old, and got into the community a little over a year ago. actually, i should say, i discovered the community over a year ago. The first book i ever read was David Deangelos Double Your Dating, which in turn sparked me to get almost all of his other products as well.. which is where i met Mystery.
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fter meeting mystery, i met Neil Strauss, and read his book.. THAT is when i’d say i first became a member of the community, because that is when i realized there really was one. his book inspired me with each page to become something great.
Through The Game, i met Tyler Durden, who taught me that Game is not always about using routines and methods to attract a girl, and that being a social alpha male can achieve the same effect also.
Those are the main 4 PUAs i credit my current abilities to. i’d say my main sticking point is the ability to actually progress a solid pickup from start to finish. i put the blame on the fact that i am still too young to enter a bar or club scene, but i know it is just an excuse. my strong point is being able to lure a girl into deep conversation and attraction that most typical alpha males can never give, while still managing to keep the Alpha attitude and frame at the same time.i am nowhere near a PUA, although i believe im very much on the verge of breaking through that pain period and eventually becoming one.
i have suffered through some truly horrible times as an AFC, and if it wasnt for David Deangelos book, i would have never found this community and would have never improved my life the way i have now. not only in picking up women, but the way i view life in general. i owe alot to the community.
Comment by FredEx on 3 January 2008:
by the way, i decided to post my Myspace address if anyone is interested in being friends on there. just click my name and it should take you to it.
if you do decide to add me, message me saying your a fellow PUA and i’ll add you. otherwise, i might not, cuz i usually dont like to add guys lol.
Comment by Diceman on 3 January 2008:
I’m 23 years old. Live in Norway and got into seduction by reading the game. Since then I have not read any seduction books, but I have read an incredible amount of articles on the topic, many of them from this site. (thanx!) I have sleept with 9 girls, 2 of them were realationships. I still consider myself an AFC because I’m having promblems opening sets. Once I get talkative I’m doing okay, I have been doing well with dvh, by using the Cube, I really like that one
Right now I’m looking forward to the upcoming Saturday; I’m going to a party where they are gonna put the temperature up and make a hawaii-vibe with girls in bikinis and boys in bermuda shorts. Any tip for this night? 
Comment by ace11 on 3 January 2008:
Ace here, found this site by accident six months ago when i googled brittny spears vagina pics.. glad we both spelled brittney’s name wrong cuz it brought me here lol.
i was horrible with women. tongue tied, constant one itis, nice guy friend type,
the first article i read on this site was bobby’s 10 lessons for closing the deal with women.. i thought it was brilliant and have been a fan ever since.
my progress has been slow and steady. I’ve dated more girls in the last 6 months than the last 3 years combined… but i still have issues i have to work out. I have trouble closing…. maybe thats why i liked bobby’s article so much. it hit home.
i also like the dicarlo escalation ladder that is on this site somewhere. solid stuff.
other than that im 25 make decent money and just neeed to add some hot ass candy to my life.
Comment by Seraf24 on 3 January 2008:
Where can I find the bobby’s 10 lessons article?
-Seraf
Comment by ace11 on 3 January 2008:
Seraf,
http://www.theseductionbible.com/2007/11/07/10-lessons-to-get-in-her-pants/
Comment by Ha$h on 3 January 2008:
I’m Hash and I’m 18.
Most people say I’m the man.
I read double your dating freshman year in highschool after realizing I was a total wuss. I am now a freshman in college and don’t give away any of my power.
Since then I’ve constantly been improving myself, my attitude, my outlook on life, and my social skills.
I’d like to think I’m an expert on the material, and I can always give you the right thing to do, although I may not always be doing it in “the field.”
I’ve only had one girlfriend, the last two years of highschool I dated the hottest girl in her grade. She’s adopted and 100% chilean, Hash loves spanish / italian / dark feature girls. Although she is like my best friend I dumped her to go to college single (which if anyone of you are in that situation DO IT!). I still have sex with her when I’m home and am still pretty confused about commiting with this girl, I’m like half single and half in a relationship.
It took me a little while to get adjusted to being single but after the first couple months I was cruising along just nicely. Although I’m not the best, I’m young and I’m definitely A LOT better than most of the guys I know.
I never tell girls how many people I’ve slept with, and I usually make them guess. They ALL guess way over (come on I’m only 18!) and although a little piggish to say my goal is for them to start guessing way under ;-).
I’m also from Boston and a huge Celtic’s, Patriots and Red Sox fan. I’m a closet nerd and used to work at a video game store, not to mention wasted years of my life on online MMO video games(and still had the hottest girlfriend.) I also played Lacrosse Goalie and was captain of my team. My father was a rockstar drummer for a popular 70’s band, and my mother was a playboy bunny. I hang out with anyone and everyone and I don’t pre-judge people by their looks and am now really learning after getting mixed up with bad people that it’s very important to judge someone on their CHARACTER and do not surround yourself with bad people.
As far as skill wise I’m a jack of all trades, but definitely a text master. My weakest point was closing, but in recent times I havn’t been having problems.
This website has helped me a bunch and after listening to a couple podcasts I can tell that Bobby and Mike know what they’re talking about and are pretty funny too.
Lastly, the best piece of advice I’ve ever given or received is “Don’t be a bitch.”
-Hash
Comment by FredEx on 3 January 2008:
Hash, it sounds like me and you are pretty much in the same boat man.. except you do got a lil extra experience on me on the years, but hopefully someday ill be able to get to your level, and if im ever in Boston, we’ll sarge together.
Comment by Rubix on 3 January 2008:
Hey hash and fred good to see others my age on here, I’m 18.
My story is short and simple, I was born a natural. I was fooling around with girls by the age of 5 (or was it 6?). Sense it’s hard to get girls to sleep with you at those ages and even all the way up until maybe 16 or 18 I’ve only slept with 2 women but fooled around with about 20(to the point of getting off).
Now you may be wondering “then what the hell are you doing here?”. Well I fell in love freshman year of high school and dated this awsome russian 8.5, who was a great g/f, for about a year and 2 months. I can now speak russian thanks to that haha and women love it.
But also thanks to that when we broke up, I actually broke up with her, mostly from pressure of like 3 or 4 different girls yelling at me to break up with her >_Rubix’s last blog post..Txt from Ex
Comment by Rubix on 3 January 2008:
wow.. sorry guys it’s not posting anything after that for some reason…
Bobby feel free to delete those. You can find my intro on my blog.
Rubix’s last blog post..Introduction (for the seduction bible)
Comment by Teddy Bear on 3 January 2008:
wow u guys are making me feel old…I wish iwas 18 again and knew what I do now…damn I would be trouble
Comment by Zeo on 3 January 2008:
Hey I’m Zeo,
I’m 16 ( yeah I know I’m a little young for this stuff but I’m definately mentally mature enough), I got into the community by accident. Last summer I was bored, depressed, and had a total of zero gf’s. So I’d spend most my time online. I decided that summer to better myself so I downloaded this self help book ‘How to make people like you” off iTunes. It helped me a little but I still lacked the confidence to go out and talk to women.
So one day when looking for more audiobooks on iTunes, I found this preview video for Mystery’s VH1 show. I downloaded it because Mystery just looked like a guy who gets laid alot, plain and simple. Not like those other shitty dating helping stuff. I watched the 17 minute clip and was hooked. After seeing the first 3 episodes I downloaded Mystery’s book and started implementing what I learned. I gained so much confidence from it.
After using some canned shit from the show ( which did lead me to get caught by my oneitis which is a long story) I found this site, read the Game, and etc. As of now I have # closed 8 times, kiss closed once, and no f closes yet. I still am not a master by any means but am far from the AFC that I was. Right now I’m doing Style’s 30 day Challenge from his new book.
Unfortunately I have a few sticking points. 1. I still get AA but after I do one set I get going and am gold. 2. My day 2 gaming is horrible. The first day2 or “date” i guess you can call it ended up with us not even talking for 3 hrs! I’ve gotten better from that but have not been able to elicit a day 3 out of them. 3. My last sticking point is that I need a way to expand my social circle because the one I have now is totally holding me back ( which is why I’m looking forward to the rest of your HS article Bobby!)
So that’s my story!
Comment by FredEx on 3 January 2008:
Zeo,
i’ve been where you are brother..
in fact, i started at about the same age your at now (im 17 right now going on 18 in Feb), and dude let me tell you.. the best thing to do about your Social circle situation..
Abandon it. i had friends who i really liked and enjoyed at the time, but in my mind i really knew they were holding me back from what i could achieve. not only were they all pretty negative about everything, but they were also the type of crowd that people would think are cool at first, until they find out more about them, and then those people forget about them (hope that makes sense, im in a hurry so im rambling.)
but basically, whatever friends you got that are holding you back, ditch them. slowly but surely start hanging out with newer and better friends. even if it seems impossible, its possible. and your gonna want to get it done before your senior year, cuz it is by far the best year in HS youll ever have if your able to live it right.
the people i hang out with now.. i wouldve NEVER pictured myself hanging out with a year ago. and its funny, because i used to think these people were stuck up and stupid, but now, they are actually pretty cool.. plus you can learn from the “Cool” guys about alot of stuff you never knew before, so i highly recommend it.
if you ever need some advice or anything man, hit me up or add me on myspace.. Your part of the community now, so we all got your back.
Comment by Chase on 3 January 2008:
Teddy Bear…I’m with you man. I feel fucking old now.
Whatever
My name is Chase. My last name but that’s what everyone calls me. I’m a 29 y/o pharmacist (I work in a hospital, not a walgreens, and it’s a cool job so no jokes about the profession).
I got into the community 4 years ago…completely random internet search. I’d just broken up with my fiance b/c she wouldn’t sign a pre-nup. Out of my 5 best friends, one was happily married. The other four were divorced, two of them twice. I watched their lives go to hell. I learned from that…no woman was going to take what I earned.
So……..I moved out west.
Going to a new city not knowing anyone was hard. My social skills were lacking so I got 2 PUA’s to fly to me and INSTRUCT. Instruct on anything and everything you could imagine. Best investment of my life.
There’s the background. To answer Bobby’s questions my strong point is day game. I can # close in 90 seconds. I’m not comfortable picking up women in clubs. Considering I would SOME day like to get married..the last thing I want to tell my kids is their mom was wearing f-me pumps.
As for sticking points…drawing relationship boundaries. My problem is letting them think I more available than I am.
-Chase
Comment by Teddy Bear on 4 January 2008:
yea straight up man we all here to help eachother well i know atleast me and fredex(man i wish i started at 16 whew)
Comment by Seduction Chronicles on 4 January 2008:
Oh mate. That’s super interesting Bobby. Thanks for sharing.
My story:
http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/about-seduction/
Great stories guys,
D
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Comment by Seraf24 on 4 January 2008:
If any of you guys live in So Cal, we should sarge together.
-Seraf
Comment by Teddy Bear on 4 January 2008:
yea chase im 26 and just moved to a new city its though but thats life….i totally feel u with the day vs club game thats why i want to get better at day game plus im sooo sick of clubs its a fake atmosphere almost everyone once they get to the club change their whole persona…now dont get me wrong i like smaller bars but still i rather “randomly” meet someone other than at a club where they know your there for a pickup
Comment by Kevin on 4 January 2008:
Hey I’m Kevin.
I’m pretty much in the same boat with Zeo.
I’m 16 and from London and gotten in the community about a year and a half ago.
I was such a nice guy back then, and usually quiet.
Then me and a friend of mine found a book called : The Layguide by Tony Clink.
After reading that book, it changed my life, my views and attitudes towards women.
I also joined mASF and joined many other PUA sites and getting subscription to increase further knowledge and get more material.
Thats how i ended up in this site, after listening to the podcasts, i was hoooked.
But now my social dynamics has improved. If only i knew then what i knew now!
The main problem is ofcourse i’m under-age in going to bars/night clubs.
So me and my friend were limited to day-time sarge.
Im fairly good with opening (even though i do sometimes get AA) and escalating attraction, and closing is not a real big issue. But i’m having troubles with developing a relationship, usually my status of being interesting begins to fade/degenerates…
(What i think)
Lately i’ve been focusing more on my inner game, alpha status and developing a right mind set with positivity.
Also I’ve been trying to expand my social circle, Im planning to take dance class or anything else I find interesting.
So yeah, thats my story in summary.
Plz add my msn email: kev_sfdt_25@hotmail.com
hopefully i get to exchange ideas or possibly sarge with you guys some day.
Pzz
Comment by FredEx on 4 January 2008:
if i end up somewhere near souther Cali sometime i’ll hit you up Seraf.
Comment by FredEx on 4 January 2008:
welcome Kev, glad to meet you.
im 17, so me you and Zeo are pretty close in age, and there was someone else too whos around our age on here, i forgot who it was though..
but anyway, welcome, and feel free to hit me up to talk about PUA stuff.. i always love to hear how things are going for other teens, cuz alot of the PUG stuff only applies to people who can drink and get into bars!! ha ha.
Comment by Seraf24 on 4 January 2008:
I can’t believe how many people have found the game at such a young age (under 18)
I wish I had learned this stuff around 16 years old.
I can’t even imagine how good my game would be now.
-Seraf
Comment by Kevin on 5 January 2008:
Thanks FredEx, nice to meet you too.
Lol @ Seraf, Although I’m 16 (Turning 17 in April). I already feel old haha, only 1 more year til college XD.
But yeah sure i’ll hit you up sometime FredEx. I also agree, that a majority of the PUA stuff are for nightclubs. But i would prefer day time sarging.
I may not have been in a nightclub, but i’ve been to parties, and the environment is quite hard to game, especially during escalation.
You really need good energy and a high social status there.
We should make a group or sump for further discussions. I swear there was forum in this site???
Comment by Seraf24 on 6 January 2008:
Dude,
You’re not old until your as old as I am (19).
THAT’S OLD.
I’m halfway trough college and still a virgin, despite the amount of numbers I have attained since learning the game 7 months ago.
by the time I’m 21 and old enough to get into better environments to spit game, I’ll probably be nearing the end of my college years, meaning I’ll have missed out on a shit load of pussy.
That is why I have to depend on my day game. All but two of the numbers I have gotten have come from my college campus.
-Seraf
Comment by Kevin on 6 January 2008:
Haha, thats exactly how i feel, the difference is..Im still in high skool, after several years i have missed out on a shit load of pussy too! Young and fresh XD
But can’t wait til college, more chances and options there ^^.
I just have to keep on improving for now, so when i get there, I’ll be on my Prime
Pzz
Comment by Teddy Bear on 6 January 2008:
seraf and kevin you cant have that mindstate of “ill get more chances when i get to college?nightclubs” your putting yourself up for failure by waiting or looking foward to it..nightclubs are soooo overrated im sure college is pretty damn easy but there is no time like now, you gotta get up get out and get you some! being a virgin is all the more reason to do it!! day game and nightclub game is simalar the formulas is still pretty much the same. females are females and i think PU is a little easier in the day and natural surroundings because their guard is down as opposed to nightclubs where the know guys are out to pick them up…..seraf i want you to get some pussy before your 20! whatever i can do to help im here for you as is fred and bobby and everyone else hit me up at my bloglog myspace(currently redoing) or email….the longer you wait the harder it gets
Hey bobby where do u want me to post my review of MTV? i was gonna put it on my bloglog so it would show when i post here but i cant figure out how plus im in the bug club lol
What do yall think of neils videos hes putting on his myspace?
Comment by FredEx on 6 January 2008:
you gotta understand though Teddy, its a little hard to pick up another Teenager using daygame and expect to be able to sleep with her..
i mean, what can we say to a girl even after a pickup is gone well,”Soo.. you wanna come over to my parents place? my mom rented this cool new video we can watch in my room as long as we’re quiet and dont wake up my dad”.
see, its a little harder than it is once your older and have your own place. plus, in HS, girls will mostly only sleep with a guy if their drunk or dating, which is why i recommend HS parties as the way to go Kevin.
im still new to partying, but ive already managed to become one of the “Tribal Leaders” at each one i go to, which attracts girls to meet YOU. just last night it happened, and now im working a girl on myspace. from there, i’ll see if shes worth getting a number from, etc etc. but it all started from meeting at a party.
Comment by Conair on 6 January 2008:
Hey I am Conair,
I am 18 and a freshmen in college right now. Glad to see there are guys my age. I had very little skill with women. I had girl friends but no real 10s. Then I saw Mystery on Conan promoting his show and I was hooked. I started reading all the articles I could get my hands and that lead me here to this site and have been a big fan ever since.
I think my game is pretty solid at this point but still have difficulty closing (props for the kiss lcose articles. Looking foward to hereing all the techniques and all the fine ass that comes with it.
Comment by Kevin on 7 January 2008:
Teddy, i understand where you’re coming from…”Females are females”..
But as FredEx says: “Its a little hard to pick up another Teenager using daygame and expect to be able to sleep with her..”
However I know its not impossible though.
And yeah, i am progressing everyday, I’m not going to completely wait until i get to college XD, Infact i have really good options now.
FredEx I’m interested on how you became a “Tribal leader” for every party XD. I want to know the dynamics behind it.
And Welcome Conair,
Hope to share some ideas and other stuffs with you.
Btw Teddy, what you mean about niels videos?
Pzz
Comment by FredEx on 7 January 2008:
Kevin, i just recently starting partying with the “cool” group from my own school, but already the benefits of doing so have been amazing. i usually partied with a group of friends from school, but we’d usually end up at parties from different schools, so we didnt really know everyone.
the main thing i focused on is getting cool with the Main Alpha Males at the party.. make friends with them, dont be too needy and follow them, but try and see how/where you can add value to their situation.make a joke when you KNOW something is funny, but make sure you dont TRY making a joke that can possibly be stupid. also, just be cool with them, get them drinks(dont buy, at most HS parties all drinks are free anyways), take shots with them, anything you can do to build a comrardory (spelled wrong) with them.
after that, once you start feeling comfortable with the guys, you’ll be able to start working the girls. Mystery has a saying “if you can lead the men, you can lead the women.” and its totally true. once youve made friends with the main guys at a party, you’ll be able to basically use that social status to attract other women towards you. also, it cant help to already have attractive female friends at the party, that way you can be seen talking and having a good time with them, and eventually get introduced to other attractive females at the party. thats how its worked with me, and i’ve already made like 10 or more new friends at my school that would’ve barely said hi to me a month or 2 ago.
Comment by Kevin on 8 January 2008:
Thanks for the advice FredEx,
I could see the social dynamics working here, and definitely Mystery’s saying. XD
Cuz most of the times, in parties, I’m with people that i know, but then i go straight to game the girls.
Doing it your way, adds more value which will boost my social circle as well as other rewards.
It will definitely be more easier as you don’t really need to DHV that much when your gaming.
Last year i went to a party, and they were playing this dare game or sump, i was kinda drunk (not THAT drunk,i knew what i was doing), so i ended up dancing with 2 of the most attractive girls, then i started crackin’ jokes with the cool guys, (Basically having a fun time)
After that day, my value went up high, people were talking about me (in a good way)and girls were approaching me, asking wierd questions.
Because they didn’t expect that from me,(cuz i was usually a quiet, nice guy)
They said i was like a whole new person XD.
This goes to show, that you should show that your having a good time, no matter what, people will notice it. I sometimes make the mistake of concentrating TOO much on the game, so i lose it completely.
I transferred to a new skool last September, so going to parties will definitely be a good way to go.
Pzz
Comment by FredEx on 8 January 2008:
yeah man.having fun no matter what is a good rule to follow at parties, which is why i like to drink while im at them. it probably isnt good for the whole Pick-up dynamic, as you tend to forget routines n such by drinking, but it loosens me up so that i am able to just have a good time with whoever im around. and often times ill end up meeting new people in the area by just having such a good time and also being a little louder than normal so that other girls notice it.
Comment by Seraf24 on 8 January 2008:
Teddy,
I would hit up more night clubs. There’s a great one in Orange County that is PACKED with Lainas. And Seraf loves himself the Latinas.
However, my problem with those environments is my voice and the loud music. The loud music + my naturally soft voice kills my game in clubs before I can even make an approach. That is why about 95% of my sarging has been day game.
Don’t worry tho, I am currently working on my voice via the vocal exercises in Style’s new book. Good shit for people wit soft voices like me.
Plus I have good wingmen with me in Orange county.
Thanks for the support. I too plan to get some pussy before I’m 20!
-Seraf
Comment by Conair on 8 January 2008:
I personally found that the quickest way to shoot up on the alpha male scale, especially if you really don’t want to be friends with the main alpha male, as some can be real jackasses(although some can be real cool) , is throw your own party,especially if you have alchohal (I wouldn’t suggest throwing one without one), it is almost of field of dreams situation, if you build it they will come
Comment by FredEx on 8 January 2008:
make sure you throw a good party tho..
if you build it, they will come..
but if you build it half-ass, they will leave..
Comment by Kevin on 9 January 2008:
Yeah i agree with FredEx, like bobby said in one of his podcasts, if you KNOW your party isn’t as good as it should be, then don’t bother hosting it.
I live in a flat, so parties are very hard to host, especially the lack of space and loud noise.
But definitley a great and quik way to boost social status, just as long as you remain alpha male at the party..
Pzz
Comment by Slade on 15 January 2008:
Hey, I’m Slade.
I started reading David D’s stuff off askmen.com at the end of my Junior year in Highschool. I found this site and the community prob at the end of of my senior year.
The story is basically I’ve always been a pretty likable guy. I’ve never really been shy and have always been able to make people laugh. I had friends, plenty of which were girls. That was the roblem though, we were just friends.
After I found the David D’s stuff I realized that I just went about being funny wrong. It took me about 6 months to really internalize the whole cocky/funny attitude and just the mindset that every girl that you come across is damn lucky that she is talking to you because basically, yo uare the fucking man. Once I did it worked fucking wonders.
I’m now a freshman at NC State and it is so fucking great. I’m really glad I found the community before I got out of HS. It is so easy to pull ass in college and you should see the amount of AFCs walking around(I do go to a Math/Science based college). There is really not that much competition. Also I’d like to think Bobby Rio and Michael Stoute for their podcast on creating that initial circle of hot female friends because that was probably the best advice concerning getting laid in college.
Comment by Slade on 15 January 2008:
I just got done reading everyone’s intro and I’m really impressed with how many people are part of the community that are close to my age. (I’m 19)
I agree with the HS game being more difficult but what I would suggest is when you are at parties, try and make friends with the upper classmen or the people that come back from college on holidays. There is no doubt in my mind that it is easier to get laid in college than in HS. You have your own room and girls are just more willing to give it up. You will find alot of them have the same attitude as you do; they just want to have fun but don’t want to be tied down. SO why not go to them? If you can get invited to even ONE college party and be a hit you’re in. Be the guy that brings all the hot HS chicks to the party.
A friend of mine has an apartment off campus and we throw a party over there every week or so. The guys we generally invite are a few of the guys we hang with in college, and 2 guys from his Highschool who ALWAYS have like 6 to 8 hot Senior ladies in tow. And let me just tell you, every girl in Highschool wants to go to college parties so you should have no trouble getting some to go.
Comment by Bobby_Rio on 15 January 2008:
Good to read your intro.. seems like your having a blast in college… college can definately be the greatest ass getting experience of your life if played right.
Comment by Thumbs on 21 January 2008:
Names Thumbs
I actually got into all of this because of this website. I have this desire to understand human sexuality and one day i was searching for diffrent ideas when i came across this website. I started reading it and trying out small bits like the 5 question game and the best friends test and saw it really made women open up alot faster when you could get them to laugh. I continued to use this sight until about 2 weeks ago when I was in a barnes and nobles with my friend and stumbeled across “the Game” which i knew about but never took the time to read but that day i was compelled to because the days before were a beatdown.
The entire month before I had put time into dating this girl just to find out she was not what i wanted and was just a hot body with no brain, or a hit and quit kind of girl. Then i realized that nice guys really dont get anywhere so i bought the book (for an unreasonable 35 dollers which later my mom found for 16… and decided to buy and read…yea)
since then i have been reading through it and just pulling knowledge from it but to me it seems more than just a book about developin game, it has taught me how to be better with anyone.
My strong point is opening a set, just being able to interact with people and cause a group to grow comfortable with me has changed my outlook on things and really taken me far already.
my dticking point is isolating the target from the set and when there is no set but only the target well my problem would be anyone else who is near me saying something stupid. That is a long story of 3 failed field reports from one day but we learn alot from our failures too.
Great to get to know you guys and hope to hear more from everyone.
Comment by Thumbs on 21 January 2008:
Had to add this in now that I had the time to read every post. There are alot of young newcomers to the game, i’m 19 and work as a bartender at an italian food restraunt.
Younger game has to be played a little diffrent, in the past couple of years I have realized that teenage girls have the attention span of a gold fish so you have to keep them intrested by raising your value more then normal and then somehow maintaining it. Highschool is a dating nightmare because every school has the main alpha male who every girl would drop to her knees for.
You were also all talking about daytime game, i would agree that the club scene is fake and i personally like daytime game too, it makes it so much easier because women dont expect to be hit on in those hours.
The subjct of social circles… well I dont like the idea of leaving my friends behind because 1 is an AFC worse than me, 20 year old virgin commiting himself to the army and another is a cocky 18 year old who lost his virgiity a month or two ago in a three some that he was invited to over the phone…dont get me started. The last is a natural who has fallen victim to one-itis even though his gf is nuts over him and is really cool. If your friends are holding you back drop them i guess but i personally want to learn all this and then try to intigrate my friends into it so they can learn and prosper too.
Comment by FredEx on 21 January 2008:
Thumbs..
about your last paragraph,
good luck with that! lol
the whole reason i had to dumb some close friends of mine a year ago was because they were AFCs who were too stubborn and filled with foolish pride to accept the methods i was giving them.i even had one ex best friend who i gave EVERYTHING i had to.. all of davids stuff, alot of mystery n styles stuff, etc and you know what he did with it?? practically nothing. even to this day, he probably still hasnt finished reading The Game. and THATS why i ditched them and am now friends with some AWESOME alpha male naturals.. trust me, i am learning more every day i spend with them. life is good.
Comment by Thumbs on 21 January 2008:
Well I only plan on bringing one in, he has been studying this stuff not for a week and already showing progress with opening sets.
One is stuborn and thinks his methods work well but it is complete bullshit because he has no game and the one-itis never aused his naturalistic ways anyways so no worries on him. Their friends so if i keep them seperate i willbut in the long run their still friends never know who you gotta fall onto for a little aid.
Comment by Platinum on 24 January 2008:
How’s it goin, I’m Platinum from NYC. And I am in a unique situation….
At 23 years old, I graduated from college a few months ago. While in college I had a great social circle and threw amazing parties every weekend, partied 3-5 nights a week (led to an extra year of school), went away on spring break several times, you get the picture. If mastering the game is hitting a 450′ home run, then getting laid in college can be compared to hitting a baseball off a tee. And that’s where my problem lies..
I learned about David Deangelo about 2-3 years ago, and his e-book Double Your Dating was a great read. I was already getting laid pretty regularly but wanted to have more/better options, hey I’m only human. I got some increased success with the cocky/funny attitude and following some of his other ideas, but I never had the balls to approach women during the day or sober, and sadly relied on my social circle and being drunk / bars / parties as a crutch for meeting women. Eventually I had a great g/f but long story short we broke up b/c after i graduated and she was still in school, my lack of womanizing skills outside of college created an invisible but very real imbalance in our relationship, and things went sour. Now I have been determined to conquer the game on all levels, and need to get over the initial Approach anxiety that comes up so often. I feel like if I get that handled, everything else will come easy. Its funny, because at times in my past I have been on fire and at my peak fully closed 4 different women within 3 weeks, but I can’t really explain exactly how I did it or figure out how to apply my successes there into post-college life (Not to mention being rusty after a long term relationship). Any thoughts?
Comment by Thumbs on 26 January 2008:
Hey Platinum
Yea that Aproach Anxiety can be a real sticking point bitch and it’s easy to say that once your past it everything else will be easy, hell I thought that too but in the past 2 days I have realized it’s not. Overcoming that anxiety is step one but then demonstrating spikes of higher value and keeping intrest comes in and for some people that is easy but when that anxiety hits it’s there, and once you make the approach it’s still in there so supressing it so that you can phase shift is also hard and can hold you back.
Last night I opened a set way past the 3 second rule and afterwords got IOI’s left and right but I pulled out because I was not trying to move to fast, I wanted to get comfortable with opening a set first. It’s all steps man, and if you gotta take baby steps so be it but yea man step one is that AA and the easiest way to deal with it I found is just like swimming or doing anytihng crazy, you just jump and think afterwords, Turn your Aproach Anxiety into Aproach Adrenaline!
Comment by Bobby_Rio on 27 January 2008:
I like your advice Thumb “Turn approach anxiety into approach adrenaline” not an easy feet but it can be done… and makes all the difference in the world.
Comment by Thumbs on 27 January 2008:
Thanks Rio, It has been working for me pretty well, I started the style life challenge through the new book set and day has you call a stranger and by turning it into adrenaline i got really pumped and jumped at the occasion at a little fun.
Comment by FredEx on 27 January 2008:
Thumbs,
lol that challenge pissed me off!
first off i couldnt get anyone to answer (everyone has caller ID now, and i guess dont wanna answer a call from someone they dont know), then when i would get an answer, i’d either get immediate hang ups or old people who hadnt been to the movies in years!
i probably called at least 20 people before i got my first movie recommendation.. and it was pretty much a fluke.
i did the suggested, “hey is ______ there?” and ironically, she was.(or actually he. the man who answered called a guy to the phone even tho i asked for a girls name..)
anyways, so when i heard that, i hung up immediately. a minute later they called me back, and i was really not gonna answer it,but for some reason i did, and the guy just happened to be cool enough to suggest a movie. but fuuuck! people these days.. it certainly was a challenge, but not for the reasons that style was initially aiming for im sure lol.
Comment by Thumbs on 28 January 2008:
I agree FredEx it was one of the harder ones because my first teo calls did’nt work, I hate to say it but ot get it to work I had to drop a lie in there so that they had good reason to answer and did’nt think i was bullshitting them but all in all i got it done. Yea Caller ID has really ruined it from working so i told them things like i was conducting a phone poll or was from the news paper or something but still introduced myself with my name and even held idel conversation with them. I kinda switched the challenge also, instead i asked people about their favirote sports teams.
Comment by FredEx on 28 January 2008:
lol i dunno about that man..
i think that kinda defeats the purpose of the challenge.
i mean, you dont open a set and tell them that your taking a poll just to get them to give you a response.. plus asking their fav sports team is Totally different than asking them to make a recommendation.. its like going to an hb and asking whats her favorite color, compared to asking her what your friend should do about his Jealous Girlfriend.. one will get a quick response with no advantage point, while the other could possibly break open a conversation by requiring her to actually put some thought into her response.
Comment by Thumbs on 28 January 2008:
Well I was talking to someone in newyork about a poll for texas so that should have been a dead give away but I think the challenge was more about overcoming anxiety along with being able to monitor yourself in conversation
Comment by Platinum on 28 January 2008:
Thumbs thanx for the advice, whatup Bobby Rio.. its good to finally be able to talk to people who are going down the same road.. because everyone brings something different to the table and we can all learn from each other and end up with solid game all around.
I also recently bought the rules of the game, and like you guys i think it took me around 20 people who answered the phone before i got my 3 movie recommendations. at first i thought it was a pointless exercise, but after i was done i realized why neil strauss makes u do it. in the beginning, i was speaking so fast because i was afraid they would hang up on me, and eventually i realized that talking slower and sounding like a real person instead of a telemarketer actually will get you better results.. besides if they hang up on you who cares… there are an endless combo of #s to call to get 3 recommendations.
i also realized that this exercise helps you learn how to convince random strangers to keep talking to u when they dont want to… because when ur out at the bar and try to talk to 4 hotties who have been gettin hit on all night, you can bet your a$$ this skill will come in handy.
another thing.. i dont know what geographical area any of you are from, but i noticed something that i dont think ive heard any of the top PUAs ever mention… i believe that girls in the new york city area put up barriers bigger than anywhere else on the planet that i know of… and to go even further people in nyc can be such dicks in general.. and this phone mission further helped me see that.
i think i was at the point in the mission where i had called 10 people from my zip code (718) and had received no recommendations. and most people werent polite, it was pretty funny thinkin bout it now.. i did the standard opening of “hi is katie there?” and here were some of the responses i got:
one guy growled and said “Do i sound like katie a$$hole?” and hung up.
one lady said “wrong f#$%” number” and hung up. (i actually called her back and said “that wasnt very nice, b!tch” and hung up on her haha”)
one old lady said “what the hell do u think i am your movie buddy?” and hung up.
several people laughed and hung up.
its like everyone in this area is so miserable… jeez lighten up people whats the point of living in the financial capital of the world and making money if you dont know how to be happy?
so i decided to call a few numbers using area codes outside of nyc, and ended up getting 2/4 recommendations! i dont think it was a coincidence. but after that i said i need to get atleast 1 from nyc, b/c this is where i live and i have to be able to be successful in my environment, and eventually got 1. so it ended up being
nyc calls: 1/16 or so
out of nyc calls: 2/4
haha if any1 here is from nyc, more specifically staten island (which i like to refer to as white trash island, im moving off here soon) id love to hear your comments
Comment by FredEx on 28 January 2008:
lol thats a good observation man.
im from southwest texas, so people arent too bad over here (their mostly poor too lol)
but i made my calls down the ‘Johnson’ section in the phonebook, cuz i’ve noticed that the white people in my city are usually always nicer (and richer). i live in a mostly hispanic community thats why, and i also dont speak spanish very well.
Comment by Juice on 30 January 2008:
Hey,
I’m the New guy, and I’m about half way through The Game, and I’m Hooked. I’ve been a AFC’er my whole life and It’s time to break Free. The funny thing about it is that Noone really knows how bad it is Till they find the community. I have had success with women, but it’s not consistant, and I really never knew what it was that got me Laid. Anyway I just wanted to introduce myself to the group…Till Next Time
Juice
Comment by Bobby_Rio on 30 January 2008:
Welcome.. the game is eye opening.. and its only the beginning..
you’re right once you learn even a little you realize how many mistakes you were making lol.. if only i could turn back time
Comment by Psycho on 31 January 2008:
Hey, what is up guys? This is Psycho from Corvallis, Oregon.
I’m new to this website, new to the actual scene in general. I’ve read David DeAngelo’s stuff (well, the stuff that was around 5 years ago anyway). I’m almost done with Mystery Method, working my way slowly but surely through ‘Rules.’ I’m overweight and a college student, and my only real apparent sticking point is either looking good and maybe peacocking or perhaps just fixing my frame so that I can be fine in a clever T and some jeans.
I’m extremely interested in this whole experience though, it seems to be ‘pure’ to me, for some reason.
Anyway, that’s my intro!
-Psycho
Comment by FredEx on 31 January 2008:
welcome Psycho.
and your right about the Frame.. it was something that i really never understood or tried to learn about at first, but now am able to realize how Essential it is to becoming the person you wanna be. with the right frame, you can pretty much do anything. the only thing is, it does take time to aquire. but as long as you make this form of Self Improvement an every day thing, you’ll be amazed at how far you’ll go in a year. thats exactly whats happened to me. good luck!
Comment by Thumbs on 7 February 2008:
Where can I learn more about frames?
Psycho: welcome man and you sounds like an all around good guy so you should’nt have any problems with this stuff.
Comment by athena on 7 February 2008:
hi! i’m athena, a bartender in vegas. i found this site accidentally about a month ago and was really impressed. i havent read the game and am not familiar with a lot of the terminology you guys use, but this subject has been fascinating me for years.
it started when i was 16 and found myself dating a guy who was a complete loser. he wasnt even really that alpha, lived with his parents, was short, unattractive, no job, no car, hs dropout, technically nothing to speak of. and yet, he had only dated the most beautiful women around and everyone wanted him! even as he was getting me i kept asking myself “how??”.
well, this guy as a complete natural - he loved beautiful women and it never even occurred to him that they were hard to get.
so over the years i did a lot of my own research, observing and experimenting. most of what is written here is golden.
i love to help guys out - but my weak point is with some specific styles. there are a lot of approaches that i see work that i just cant help anyone with because they dont work on me. particularly the pushier ones.
i think i have a unique approach, trying to “translate” what specific actions say to girls and a focus on social statuses. its nice to see that the conclusions i came to on my own with this view are the same as the conclusions you guys came to here!
anyhoo, everyone here has been really nice, i hope to learn a lot and to help out anyone i can!
Comment by Mike_Stoute on 8 February 2008:
My long overdue introduction.
Hey I’m Michael Stoute, for those who don’t know me, I am the other personality behind TSB (theseductionbible). I am what some would call a natural, I guess. Girls are fun, sometimes more than guys lol.
I’m not sure how or when it happened, but one day I realized that I had lost my mojo. Maybe it was in the blur of college parties, or the constant belittling from my “awesome” friends. As I commented on another recent post, the wrong friends can REALLY hurt your game. I use the term “game” loosely here, because life is a game and the same rules apply, the wrong friends can REALLY hurt your game. I know I just repeated myself, but you have no idea how much this helped me get back in it.
So I studied any books I could get on the subject. There wasn’t as many gurus as there are now so I took a different approach. I hit the book store… Surprised, I did find some good books on the subject and learned a lot of what I was missing. I realized that I used to do a lot of the things I was reading about, but then got lazy and stopped.
I hate to say it, but it had a lot to do with the people I was hanging around with. They didn’t care or respect women, they just “thought” they were studs. So funny, they would flat out insult (not neg) girls and I could never understand it. Fu*k those girls, they sucked anyway. Now I realize that most of them were just scared of them, scared to talk to them and scared of rejection. So instead they would insult or degrade them before they had a chance to be rejected. Real cool.
As I started my journey back to where I came, another friend in our group had the same idea. Bobby Rio.. We talked and helped each other through the times and eventually decided to share our experiences here.
The site helps me remember how important it is to keep your head in the game. I also extremely support men teaching and helping other men. Some guys were never taught by their fathers, or their fathers didn’t know much themselves. You need an “experienced” mans perspective. Many people give advice, but not all are worth listening to. If someone is giving you advice, take a step back and think if they are qualified to actually give it? This approach alone has helped me eliminate a ton of bad advice!
Anyway, it’s late and I’m off on a tangent, but I know you all get me.
Athena,
I just got back from vegas a few weeks ago, maybe next time I’ll stop in for a drink
Comment by Thumbs on 8 February 2008:
Athena: Welcome, we could use a female persetive on everything that has to do with the game and hopefully not a bias one of “oh thats bullshit this stuff does’nt work”
Mike: loved the insults on Ross Jeffries over the confidence pod cast and the “imagine yourself 20 feet tall thing” Jeffries is a freak man and if i ever imagine myself 20 feet tall it’s going to be for a cocky/funny opener or maybe a funny opener.. example…
me: wow your so cute, you would make a great arm-rest!
her: your not much taller than me
me: please im 12ft 4 inches divided by two!
(not a great concept so i dont really plan on useing that)
Comment by Slick on 16 February 2008:
Well,call me slick, my buddy one night we were talking over a few drinks and (in my junior year at HS) he says to me look at this book i found, naturally it was the Game. The very next day i went out to get it, the day after that i went on a trip to egypt. I read that book on the nile on the plane it reallly didnt leave my hands i read it twice while in egypt and well i was hooked. from there i tried to get into teh communtiy see what things were really about, you know so me and a freind got out in the field and first time didnt go s owell but we kept reading practising were getting alright considering we cant quite go into clubs and what not just yet.
I would have to say reaching that hook point and staying there is something i would love to master, so any advice would be great and other then that so far its been a blast reading, and if anyone knows if the Venusian arts handbook can be baught in stores and not jusst a e-book let me know.
Comment by Bobby Rio on 16 February 2008:
Glad to hear from you… Many people begin with The Game… its an eye opening book. And its only the beginning. As for the Venusian Arts Handbook… The Venusian Arts handbook isn’t available anymore… if you want to learn the Mystery Method you have a couple choices.
1. Mystery’s hardcover book
2. Magic Bullets
3. Mind of Mystery Cd set
Comment by Thumbs on 16 February 2008:
Slick: Nice to have ya, Um venusian arts well I honestly would suggest starting with the Mystery Method hard cover book simply because it really lays things out and gives you a foundation to run with, if you have the money then the mind of mystery cd set is supost to be great.
Comment by Slick on 17 February 2008:
Alright, thanks a lot ill certainly check into those
Comment by angryasiancookie on 20 March 2008:
I’m angryasiancookie and here to learn more about the odd specim called MEN. As a single who is dating 365 days in DC, guys are a mystery to me.. And I hope to learn more about men while being a member of this community.
If I can recommend a site: https://www.liarcard.com.
I’ve encountered so many liars that I recently start to use the tools from this site. It’s amazing and it really works….
Check out my myspace for pictures and my blog for my dating experiences!!
Great site btw!
Angry Asian Cookie :)))
http://www.angryasiancookie.blogspot.com
Comment by retodded on 23 March 2008:
Hi I’m retodded. I love picking up women and making movies. check out this crazy alpha male video i made
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jbacbjokx8
Comment by MikeStoute on 24 March 2008:
Ha! You are fuck*n hilarious! LMAO I was waiting for some good spoof videos and I think I found some to keep me busy for a bit.
Comment by Lee Coles on 22 April 2008:
I’ve been a playa for years, but recently entered the official PUA and Seduction Lair community by launching my blog, PullJoy, and my monthly newsletter. I’ll be teaching seminars in D.C. and Boston by summer’s end.
ST
Comment by Alex S on 29 June 2008:
Hey everyone,
My name is Alex Strandberg, I write the weekly column on TSB as well for my own site (www.innergamereframe.com)
In the past one of my biggest sticking points was being comfortable in who I was. I was born very masculine in nature but surrounded myself with AFC/ very feminine men who just didn’t get it- it started to rub off on me. It took year’s to finally come full circle and become who I was before I started hanging around the guy’s who didn’t get it but much wiser.
I found the community through searching for dating tips and finding DYD. The community has taught me a lot but nearly as much as living and experience has.
Cheers
Alex S.
Alex S’s last blog post..How to Lead Her Sexually ebook